Kia Telluride: M/T "SUV" of the year

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Kia Telluride: M/T "SUV" of the year

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https://www.motortrend.com/news/kia-tel ... 47C8CF7BDB

It's interesting. This year I'd say this was a fairly obvious pick, along with the C8 in the sports car category. Fairly universal praise, pretty upsetting to the established market, both could have been executed far worse and in that way I think far exceeded expectations.
But this award is the deserved recognition that today's Korean auto industry has evolved to possess the skill and talent to design, engineer, and manufacture world-class vehicles—ones able to best their mainstream Japanese, European, and American rivals in terms of style, dynamics, refinement, and build quality.

Manufactured in West Point, Georgia, the Telluride is a Kia built in America for Americans: a comfortable and roomy three-row SUV that's perfectly pitched at the heart of a highly competitive segment that includes products from Chevy, Dodge, and Ford, as well as Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, and Volkswagen.
It's important to emphasize that it offers more than just a lot of equipment and features for the money.
As expected of a Kia, the Telluride is a terrific value, offering lavish levels of standard equipment even in the $32,785 base model. And when you load it up to its as-tested $46,910 price, it absolutely deflates its mass-market competition.

But value is only one element of what makes the Telluride our 2020 Sport Utility of the Year. Our exhaustive judging process, in which each contender is evaluated in the context of our six key criteria, means the winning vehicle must be a well-rounded product, regardless of its functional focus.

So although its price makes the headlines, what helped the Kia Telluride garner seven first-place votes from our 11 judges is that it's anything but bargain basement in the way it looks, the way it drives, and the way it effortlessly copes with the modern American family's needs.

"Pleasing overall design, with nicely executed linework and surfacing," guest judge and former Chrysler design chief Tom Gale said during his design walkaround.

"One of the very few three-row crossovers that I actually like driving," features editor Christian Seabaugh said after he pushed the Telluride around our SUVOTY proving ground's challenging winding road.
They liked the exterior. They also liked the interior.
The interior is just as confident and as sophisticated as the exterior. Again, even the base LX trim's interior looks well equipped and well finished. As for the range-topping SX: "I keep looking around the cabin and reminding myself this SUV costs only 47 grand," executive editor Mark Rechtin said after he climbed into our tester's Dune Brown Nappa leather-trimmed interior. "It feels like a rustic-modernist house of a millionaire rancher."
The interior not only looks good but is also practical and usable. Although the third row is for teenagers, adults will fit, and smartly located seat-fold buttons and grab handles to get in and out of the rear doors offer better functionality than the comparably sized Mercedes and BMW SUVs. Then there's the detail stuff, like both the second and third rows getting their own USB ports to keep all the family's devices happily charged and functioning.

"Kia shames many luxury automakers offering vehicles costing twice as much," Seabaugh said. "Fit and finish are superb, materials are excellent, and the color mixture is wonderful."
Although the V-6 engine could use a little more than its 262 lb-ft of torque in the 4,460-pound SX AWD model, the fully loaded Telluride is still quicker to 60 mph and over the quarter mile than an entry-level Mercedes-Benz GLE 350 4Matic, which costs $10,000 more without options. What's more, the Telluride also comfortably punches above its price point in terms of ride, refinement, and low noise levels.

And while most behemoth SUVs must sacrifice steering and handling for comfort, "It drives so much smaller than it is," Seabaugh said. "It feels like a good two-row crossover, with crisp turn-in and feel for the segment, excellent ride quality, and great body control." Its suspension is just a tad bouncy, but gusting crosswinds hardly fazed the Telluride when driving at 100 mph on our high-speed oval.

But it was on the gnarly, grainy, chattery, chunky surfaces on our 28-mile test loop outside Tehachapi where the big Kia really impressed the judges. Editor-in-chief Ed Loh praised its "exceptional quietness and smoothness," and de Nysschen noted that "suspension compliance and ride comfort are its strengths."
A rotary controller on the center console—which also allows drivers to switch between Eco, Comfort, Sport, and Smart modes, the latter of which lets the onboard computers figure out the best combination of efficiency and response—has a Snow mode, which adjusts throttle, transmission, and traction control settings to suit low-friction surfaces. A button in the center of the controller locks the center differential for ultimate traction in challenging conditions. Driven with due regard to its 8.0 inches of ground clearance, 17.0-degree approach and 20.9-degree departure angles, and 114.2-inch wheelbase, the Telluride will comfortably cope with bad roads and worse weather.
Unlike many competitors, it's a good buy up and down the trim range. That's also impressive.
The base Telluride LX has an MSRP of $32,785. For that you get 18-inch alloy wheels and a ton of equipment—ranging from niceties like air conditioning and a leather-bound steering wheel to Kia's 8.0-inch touchscreen with Apple CarPlay and Android-compatible UVO infotainment system interface and five USB charge ports. And, as mentioned, the price includes a full suite of active safety technologies and driver assistance aids. Plus, there's room aboard for six sprawling passengers (it'll fit eight, in a pinch), with a 60/40 split-folding second row and a reclining third row that provides ample room for three preteen children.

Senior production editor Zach Gale noted approvingly that even the base LX model came with the same powertrain and many of the features, such as the powered second row, as the range-topping SX: "What I really like about this SUV is how much of its experience isn't tied to the loaded trim."
The base Kia Telluride is a terrific value as a family vehicle. But so is upgrading to the $42,585 Telluride SX. Standard equipment includes 20-inch wheels, a thunderous Harman Kardon surround sound audio system, dual sunroofs, and a 12-way adjustable driver's seat with memory.

Add just three key options—all-wheel drive ($2,000); the towing package ($795), which adds self-leveling rear suspension; and the SX Prestige package ($2,000), which includes a head-up display, heated and ventilated second-row seats, and the soft Nappa leather trim—and it's an impressively smooth and quiet, lavishly equipped, and beautifully finished SUV that puts even ritzy rides like the standard-wheelbase Cadillac Escalade and Lincoln Navigator on notice. All for $47,380.

Or, as Loh put it: "A handsome SUV, loaded with the goodies families want (and want to show off), for a WTF price."
In summary:
"It just does everything right," features editor Scott Evans said. "It's quiet, comfortable, smooth, stylish, and affordable. What more could you ask for?"

That's the real genius of our 2020 SUV of the Year. A great mass-market, mid-price family SUV like the Kia Telluride is a very, very hard product to execute. We'll posit that it's harder, in fact, than making a good luxury SUV—where the price premium afforded by the badge gives designers and engineers more spending headroom on equipment and tech that improve performance and refinement, along with perceived quality and luxury.
In an era when consumer behavior is influenced by an unremitting cycle of social media show and tell, buyers of affordable mainstream vehicles want to feel special. They want to feel they are getting a vehicle that has premium levels of style and quality, features and technology, and refinement and dynamic capability without paying a premium price. And with the Telluride, Kia's designers and engineers have delivered an SUV that does exactly that.
I'm sorry, I don't know how you could hate on this thing. It's really nice. Look at the 2nd row legroom!

And remember. They all have the same engine. There is no balls-slow 4 cylinder or something, thankfully. And as mentioned above, even the models in the 30s offer tremendous value.
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Maybe they'll update the engine at some point. It seems like the only thing that would hold me back from a theoretical purchase.

The high trim w/ AWD runs 15.4 sec @ 90.5 mph or 0-60 in 7.2. It turns out that it is the perfect amount of performance for normal people. I'd want more though because this is slower than our (~12 year old) SRX. It is also very similar to a 90s B-body wagon w/ LT1.
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Re: Kia Telluride: M/T "SUV" of the year

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What I may end up targeting to replace the SRX is an XT6.

Despite weighing more and having only a little more power, it seems quite a bit faster than the Telluride, addressing my main complaint.

15.1 sec @ 96 mph and 0-60 in 6.4. 5-60 in only 6.6, so quite snappy when not brake torqued, too. And again the Sport trim pulls 0.88G so this would be an upgrade all around from our SRX.

Motor Trend got 15.2 sec @ 93.1 mph and 0-60 in 6.8. That's not really that much better than the Telluride but it is still better. They also only got 0.82G. Not sure why such a large difference from C&D. They were both AWD Sport trims...though the 93 mph trap seems a better fit for the 310 hp and 4,7xx lbs. 96 seems optimistic (would be nice though). 9-speed auto theoretically helps I guess.

If I'm honest the Telluride is still probably the better vehicle...but the XT6 should depreciate nicely so there's that.
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Re: Kia Telluride: M/T "SUV" of the year

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C&D has a long term Telluride.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a2 ... nl19151479

Sub-headline:
Our only real complaint about the Telluride is a dearth of things to complain about.
Usually, new cars provide plenty of opportunity for complaints. The outward visibility stinks. The engine is weak and sounds like a horse fart. The seat heaters are too slow to warm our buns. When we have nothing big to criticize, we can typically find something minor. If we can’t find something minor, we can usually find something trivial. With the Telluride, though, we are flummoxed.
Dare I say the Telluride looks better than those compact European crossovers from the other article.
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So, credit to testing director Dave VanderWerp for gamely having a go at criticizing this 10Best-winning, comparison-test-dominating three-row, family SUV. Everyone else on staff has simply thrown up their hands. And reviews deputy editor Tony Quiroga has sustained a love affair with the Telluride that borders on giddy infatuation.
1) The rear wiper wash needs a wider spray pattern to help clean the rear glass. Instead, it just shoots a rivulet of fluid down the middle of the backlight.

2) When you push the rear-climate button, you then have to go to the touchscreen to adjust it. Honda allows the front climate control knobs to control the rear settings in this scenario.

3)The tailpipes are pushed to one side of the rear, something that with other brands of vehicles indicates that you’ve settled for the base engine. (There is currently only one engine offered in the Telluride).
Not exactly damning stuff there. VanderWerp reverted to praise even while trying to criticize. The average fuel economy on his trip was better than the EPA highway label (25 mpg vs 24 mpg), despite keeping an 80-mph cruising speed. It’s comfortable, quiet, and regally handsome. There’s excellent passenger and cargo space. There are plenty of storage cubbies in the front-seat area. The front seats are supportive enough to remain comfortable after many hours in the saddle. You get the point.
Nothing has gone wrong with the vehicle, either. So that’s a whole area of potential sniping neutralized. Our only visit to the dealership during this quarter was to get a 7500-mile service. At $161, that service included the typical oil change, tire rotation, cabin-air filter replacement, and routine inspections.
We have failed. The Telluride has not.
Months in Fleet: 5 months Current Mileage: 14,013 miles
Average Fuel Economy: 21 mpg
Fuel Tank Size: 18.8 gal Observed Fuel Range: 390 miles
Service: $161 Normal Wear: $0 Repair: $0
Damage and Destruction: $0
This thing has got to be doing serious damage to vehicles like the Explorer. Maybe even the Highlander and Pilot. I mean, I'd choose it over those two all day long.
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Re: Kia Telluride: M/T "SUV" of the year

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Here are some numbers. Year to date so I believe this would mean CY19 sales in decreasing order.

Some of these I think are brand new for 2020, or at least the Telluride is, so this is not a complete sales year. It's probably missing quite a few months.

I will say I'm surprised by the Grand Cherokee as it is on a platform dating back to I think 2014 or so.

The relative positions don't seem to mean anything as far as sweeping generalizations about the segment like "people want off road vehicles" or "people mostly want on-road vehicles." Not sure you can conclude that when the Highlander and Grand Cherokee are right next to each other. Or...there are a handful of more off-road and "rugged" vehicles in this segment that are more truck than crossover (JGC, Wrangler, 4Runner), and they are catering to that market fairly successfully but the vast majority are crossover/family vehicles.

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Jeep Grand Cherokee	242,969
Toyota Highlander	239,437
Jeep Wrangler	228,042
Ford Explorer	187,061
Subaru Outback	181,178
Chevrolet Traverse	147,122
Ford Edge	138,514
Honda Pilot	135,008
Toyota 4Runner	131,864
Hyundai Santa Fe	127,373
GMC Acadia	99,430
Kia Sorento	96,531
Subaru Ascent	81,958
Volkswagen Atlas	81,508
Nissan Murano	68,361
Dodge Durango	67,598
Nissan Pathfinder	65,691
Kia Telluride	58,932
Chevrolet Blazer	58,116
Buick Enclave	51,156
Honda Passport	36,285
Hyundai Palisade	28,736
Mazda CX-9	26,861
Ford Flex	24,485
Volkswagen Touareg	160
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Re: Kia Telluride: M/T "SUV" of the year

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kevm14 wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:32 am
As expected of a Kia, the Telluride is a terrific value, offering lavish levels of standard equipment even in the $32,785 base model. And when you load it up to its as-tested $46,910 price, it absolutely deflates its mass-market competition.
Remember this?

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3056 ... nl19152030
A mid-model-year pricing adjustment shows that Kia and Hyundai know how desirable their new SUVs are proving to be.

Kia and Hyundai are rolling out price increases for the Telluride and Palisade three-row SUVs.
These $300–$425 pricing upticks went into effect earlier in January 2020.
Of these two models, we prefer the Telluride, which won a Car and Driver 10Best award for 2020.

Kia and Hyundai are smart enough to know when they have a good thing going. The new 2020 Telluride and 2020 Palisade three-row SUVs certainly qualify, and the companies have both rolled out a slight price uptick accordingly. These mid-model-year pricing adjustments were first reported by CarsDirect, and C/D has confirmed them on the vehicles' order guides. We're not surprised given that we heard earlier this year that Kia is selling Tellurides at a high average transaction price of over $40,000.
Article on that:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2914 ... ion-price/
The Hyundai Palisade gets the more modest increase, with the base prices for the SE ($32,895), SEL ($34,845), and Limited ($46,045) trim levels each going up $300. The Kia Telluride gets a $325 increase for the base LX ($33,060) and mid-grade EX ($38,135) models, while the S ($35,035) and SX ($42,960) trim levels go up by $425. Some option prices have gone up, too, as the Telluride's SX Prestige package costs $300 more than before; a 2020 Telluride equipped like our long-term test car, then, is now $675 more expensive than it was, stickering at $48,265.

Both of these new nameplates achieved strong sales numbers in 2019, with the Kia moving 58,604 units and the Hyundai racking up 28,736 sales (the Telluride went on sale earlier in the year than the Palisade).

Despite these increased prices, the Telluride and Palisade both continue to offer strong value in the three-row SUV segment. Neither the Kia nor the Hyundai exceeds the $50,000 threshold even when fully loaded, while competitors from Ford, Volkswagen, and Chevy can easily exceed that price with all the options.
So my narrative here is A) These are great values so much so that they got a mid-year price increase. The price increase was small though so I'm not quite sure why they couldn't have waited until the next model year. But B) Even though the base model is actually a compelling vehicle as reported by the auto mags, the average transaction price is over $40k. This perfectly backs the point I made using the Accord as an example, but with actual data. Nobody is being forced to spend over $40k for these. People are doing so electively, even while the base model is a perfectly good vehicle.
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Motor Trend long term Telluride S which is the trim only one up from lowest, which is LX.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/kia/tel ... B5E9541A13

They take you through the trims and prices. I'll summarize:
Kia Telluride LX
The entry-level Telluride LX starts at $31,890. Many of the Telluride's excellent features are present in the base model, including Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. Also included in the base LX trim are all the safety features, like rear blind-spot collision avoidance assist, driver attention warning, forward collision avoidance, lane departure warning and assist features, and more. One feature I've found helpful in our long-term Telluride is the safe exit assist. After you've parked, this system uses the lane departure and blind-spot sensors to look for cars and other things coming up behind you before you open the door. I occasionally have to park on a narrow street, so I appreciate that the Telluride reminds me to check my mirrors before exiting.
Kia Telluride S
We had the opportunity to drive the EX and SX models during our SUVOTY evaluations, but when the time came to spec our long-term Telluride, we decided to aim lower on the trim ladder and opted for the S model.

Starting at $34,290, the S gets some nice visual add-ons. Machine-finished 20-inch alloy wheels replace the LX's 18-inchers, and you get a dark metallic grille as well as satin-finished front bumper air ducts. The 20-inch rims help fill out the fenderwells and make the Telluride look more attractive. You also get dual chrome exhaust tips, a more premium silver finish on the skidplates, and a satin-chrome window surround. Up top, the SUV sports low-profile roof rails and a sunroof.

Inside the S trim, you get the same black Sofino leatherette. With some exterior colors, like Dark Moss, you get the option of gray leatherette.

The S trim also gets upgraded seats, including a 10-way-adjustable driver's seat with adjustable lumbar support and heated front seats —a nice luxury on a crisp morning.
Kia Telluride EX
Stepping up another rung on the trim ladder is the EX model, starting at $37,290. This is where the Telluride starts to get really nice. The additional $3,000 premium over the S trim is mainly visible once you look inside, and the difference is noticeable.

In the EX trim, actual leather replaces the leatherette. Interior color options depend your exterior color choice. All exterior colors are available with black or gray leather; Snow White Pearl, Ebony Black, and Dark Moss have the option of a really cool Butterscotch light brown leather.

A larger 10.25-inch touchscreen sits prominently on the EX's dash. There's also a very nice-looking woodgrain finish on the dash and door trims, and it's very pleasing to the touch.

With the jump up to the EX model, you get a dual climate control, as well as eight-way power adjustable driver's and front passenger seats, both of which are heated and ventilated. Other notable features on the EX trim are integrated shades for the back windows, sound-absorbing front window glass, and a smart power liftgate.

The addition of the leather seats, a large infotainment screen, and wood trim goes a long way in making the Telluride EX feel a lot more premium than the LX and the S trims.
Kia Telluride SX
And here is where the Telluride goes from good to great. The fully loaded SX model, starting at $41,790, is the sweet spot of the lineup. For most vehicles , the sweet spot is somewhere in the middle of the lineup where the price and standard features come to a point of equilibrium, but in the Telluride's case, the top-trim SX is worth the extra scratch.

Take every good feature from the S and EX trims, and use that combination as a starting point to improve upon.

All of the cool stuff that comes in EX model—the leather seats, wood dash, and larger screen—are found in the SX. Then add upgraded 12-way heated, cooled, power-adjustable front seats with memory feature. A premium 10-speaker Harman Kardon audio system, including an external amplifier and subwoofer, adds even more refinement to the SX's interior. You also get stainless steel door sill scuff protectors, stainless pedals, and dual sunroofs.

Also available on the SX trim is the special SX Prestige package ($2,300), which includes a head-up display, automatic rain-sensing windshield wipers, heated and cooled second-row seating, and a premium headliner. The crown jewel of this package is the premium Nappa leather seats. Available in light gray, black, light brown, and espresso brown depending on your exterior color, this turns the good interior found in the Telluride into something you'd find in a luxury vehicle.
Which Telluride Trim Should You Get?
The SX model is the nicest of the bunch, but then again it should be at $9,900 more than the base LX trim. If you have the scratch, the SX model is worth it. You'd be hard-pressed to find a nicer three-row SUV at the mid-$40K price point. I was talking with international bureau chief Angus Mackenzie during our SUV of the Year testing, and he remarked that the top-of-the-line Telluride "feels like a Mercedes GLS that you can get for $40K."

If the SX trim is too rich for your blood, though, the important stuff—like all the safety features—is available on the base LX model. You can't go wrong with any of the trims. The one thing I'm adamant about, though, is that the $2,000 all-wheel-drive system is worth the investment, as it makes a difference in how the Telluride drives and handles.
Our Long-Term Telluride S
So what does all of this mean for our long-term Telluride? Sure, I wish we had some of the premium interior features of the EX and SX trim lines. Still, I think our S trim long-termer looks great with the 20-inch wheels and the other exterior tweaks that are exclusive to the S trim. Woodgrain trim, leather seats, and a larger screen would be nice, but I've so far been content with the base level accoutrement in our Telluride.
All trims are good and highly competitive, and you get more as you pay more. The fact that like only $15k separates the base model (which is still good) from the fully loaded top trim model is something you probably won't find anywhere else. Certainly not in this segment.
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