BaT Flipping Thread

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kevm14
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Best time value is to buy and flip. Spending weeks to months and a significant amount of money to return a few thousand dollars is probably not a good idea unless you really would keep it if it didn't bring enough money. But you can't keep everything. So that routine would probably get old fast.

There is probably some overlap with these vehicles and good BaT candidates (the Hagerty list):
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3215

But I think BaT cars have different criteria than a lot of these sort of classic vehicles. Bob said it, and I said it. One major criteria is that the vehicle may have even been made in numbers (i.e. does not need to be rare) though it probably needs to be an upper/special trim, AND the vehicle has to have gone through a period of low value where many of the vehicles just went into junkyards or became beaters never to be nice again. Only after all that can you have high BaT value, or at least that is my generalization. In other words, high BaT value is not a direct indicator of any vehicle attributes at all (i.e. quality, performance, even looks). Though, the car also kind of has to be thought of as desirable at some point along the way, even if to a small minority of folks. That said, plenty of seemingly lame, mass-produced cars had interesting trim levels. I guess that is a key, as well.

Here is a possibly stark example (no values to back any of this up though). Compare a standard Chevy Lumina with the 3.1L to the Lumina Z34 with the 3.4 DOHC or even the Lumina LTZ with the 3800. None of those will ever be worth 5 figures but a nice condition Z34 coupe (with manual trans) might raise a few eyebrows on this forum.
Starting in 1990, Chevrolet offered a high performance version of the Lumina, the Lumina Z34. In order to enhance its performance it came standard with the FE3 sport suspension package, the 210 hp LQ1 V6 engine shared with the Lumina Euro 3.4 (sedan), the five speed Getrag 284 manual transmission, dual exhaust and four-wheel anti-lock brakes. The Z34 also featured cosmetic changes to go along with the performance enhancements such as unique front and rear fascias, side skirts, a rear spoiler, a louvered hood, a unique steering wheel and sport bucket seats. Performance figures were quite impressive for a front wheel drive V6 engine powered car, with a 0-60 mph (0–97 km/h) time of 7.2 seconds, a 1/4 mile (~400 m) time of 15.0 seconds, a (limited) top speed of 130 mph (209.21 km/h), a 60-0 mph (97–0 km/h) distance of in 153 ft (47 m), and a lateral acceleration of 0.79 g's (7.7 m/s²). A Bose stereo system and automatic transmission, which lowered the horsepower rating to 200 and 0-60 time by a .5 seconds, were optional. The only paint colors available for the Z34 were white, red, black, gray, silver, and light blue. In 1995, the Lumina Z34 was replaced with the Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z34.
It was too heavy to be as fast as the SHO unfortunately. But they did also make a sedan, kinda, as the Euro 3.4 trim.

10,346 Euro 3.4 sedans from 92-94 and 38,753 Z34 coupes from 91-94.

The LQ1 continued into the new body style until 1997, and the 3800 took over in 98.

And on the LTZ:
LTZ (1997–1999): The top of the line Lumina which included alloy wheels, a choice of the 3.1 L V6 engine, 3.4L DOHC engine or 3.8 L V6 engine (1998-1999 only), power driver seat, dual zone climate control and leather with the option for deluxe cloth. A center console was standard on LTZ (optional on LS). To differentiate itself aesthetically from the lesser models, it received the front end, trunk lid and taillights from the Fifth Generation Chevrolet Monte Carlo.
Oh...the 3800 was not exclusive to the LTZ.
LS (1995–1999): Second highest trim level, LS models offered aluminum wheels, optional dual zone temperature controls, power windows (optional on Base), tachometer, higher-end stereo with GM's Delcolock, anti-lock brakes, remote keyless entry system, upgraded seats, and an optional 3.4 L DOHC engine (1995-1997) or 3.8 L 3800 V6 (1998-1999).
I guess that's enough Lumina trivia...

Speaking of GM FWD cars though, I could see the V8 W-bodies being worth something down the road. But it will be a while.
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Only Lumina I found was this NASCAR (lol): https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991- ... et-lumina/

Which ended at reserve not met for $23,750.
Lot #2626
Seller: Mike_Winn
Location: Little Rock, Arkansas
Chassis: Laughlin # KML9 for Hendrick Motorsports
350 V8 with 715 Horsepower
4-Speed Manual
Raced by Kenny Schrader 1989-1992
Ex-Hendrick Motorsports
Upgraded Brakes
MSD Ignition
Set Up for Vintage Racing
Private Party or Dealer: Private Party
This is actually one of the best examples of what "Bring a Trailer" probably should mean.
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The Prelude was the perfect BaT flip car because it needed almost nothing* and I almost doubled my money.

* I did replace the rear shock collars to fix the shock knock for $26.
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I never even put gas in it, which was a first for me with any car.
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I would say:

RX-7, Integra, Del Sol - Might already be too expensive
Supra, NSX, Zs, GT-R (import) - Definitely too expensive
Maybe 3000GT, probably not Stealth
The popular Eclipse might end up valuable (1995-1999). Maybe first gen WRX and EVO. Probably older GTI's.
Maybe 90's Civic in mint condition.
I always thought the Mazda MX6 was sweet looking (better than the Probe)

It would be really funny if the ugly craze continues (Aztec) and the Ford Taurus round edition got popular, but I doubt it.

I definitely could see later model year gen 3 Camaros being worth more since they are fairly cheap, especially compared to Monte's in decent shape. I think the Montes are overvalued right now, but could see mint versions going a little higher, but most are already high.
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I would also agree with:

70's-80's American trucks and SUVs as long as gas prices don't spike...
I can definitely see a Blazer/Bronco thing. And boxy full size trucks.

I am not sure about most American cars though as far as surging in price. for the majority, they weren't very popular to the people paying money for stuff now.

I just don't see someone paying much for a pristine Grand Am or any other 90's Buick/Oldsmobile. Not that they were really bad, just not interesting. I mean there is definitely stuff in there for decent daily drivers but not investment grade.

The GTO could go up, currently they are a decent value. Especially the 6.0. Problem is, if they go up, the Gen 5 Camaro will be a better buy so, there isn't a lot of room to climb.
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That is probably a scam.
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Hoovie's "McLaren" is actually an ideal BaT candidate if we are talking about FWD GM.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wm6Jjpqz0xo

I am 14 seconds in and i already know what it is. Totally spaced on these.
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