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M/T: 2020 Honda Civic Si

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:40 pm
by kevm14
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/honda/c ... 0C14BFCD4C
Review: Honda Civic Type R Too Hardcore? Try the Mellower 2020 Honda Civic Si
Eh, no. That's like saying "You like the really great Mustang GT350 but can only afford something less? Try the Mustang GT."

It's not the same. If you came for the Type R, the Si is not going to satisfy. And the very same thing is true for my Mustang example.

$25k is pretty affordable I guess but I think this segment is basically dead and irrelevant, unless you bring something exceptional like the Type R. I do not think run of the mill Civics are running around with some miracle chassis. I think the Type R has had some very careful tuning. To use a 10 year old GM example, it's exactly like the Cobalt SS. The regular Cobalt wasn't very good. The SS was excellent. That's a thing.

On the other hand, if they begin to sell the Si in any kind of numbers, I may concede that the formula of bringing an excellent product to market like the Type R really does cause increased sales in the down market trims. I know this is basic stuff but I do not always see evidence of it when I look. Like the CTS-V3 impact on CTS or V-sport sales. I can probably come up with a number of other examples that are non-GM.

Re: M/T: 2020 Honda Civic Si

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:27 pm
by Adam
kevm14 wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:40 pm $25k is pretty affordable I guess...
Is it? I don't understand. In other news, I might be broken.

Re: M/T: 2020 Honda Civic Si

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:32 pm
by kevm14
That inflation adjusts to only $16,200 in 1999. How much new car could you get for that then? Actually how much was a Civic Si?

Re: M/T: 2020 Honda Civic Si

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:34 pm
by kevm14
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/honda/c ... -civic-si/

Very similar if not more expensive.

Re: M/T: 2020 Honda Civic Si

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:34 pm
by Adam
A fully optioned SC400 was $45k in 1994. Does that help?

Re: M/T: 2020 Honda Civic Si

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:38 pm
by kevm14
Yes. It helps me make my original point.

Re: M/T: 2020 Honda Civic Si

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:43 pm
by Adam
kevm14 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:38 pm Yes. It helps me make my original point.
That we should all buy Mustang GTs?

Re: M/T: 2020 Honda Civic Si

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:55 pm
by kevm14
The one you quoted...

Re: M/T: 2020 Honda Civic Si

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:45 am
by Bob
kevm14 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:32 pm That inflation adjusts to only $16,200 in 1999. How much new car could you get for that then? Actually how much was a Civic Si?
1999 Civic Si MSRP including destination: $17,850.

Re: M/T: 2020 Honda Civic Si

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:41 pm
by kevm14
I would say you are certainly getting more for your money 20 years later. Maybe not everything is a good value but the new Si is certainly a better vehicle in every conceivable way than the 99 except if you put a very high value on redline RPMs...

267 lbs or 10% heavier. 0-60 (of a 2017) is a full second faster than the 1999. Braking, skidpad, way better (yes tires are better). It's more comfortable, bigger. 6-7 mpg better.

Also I love the way quotes show a timestamp. This is very handy.