Well I picked up the lot. He was a normal, nice guy. Couple of teenage kids. The history of the machines goes like this:
About 15 years ago he says he bought the green Deutz from a friend or something. I don't know how much he used it to mow, but the main focus seemed to be snow removal. He had chains for the rear tires and said with the chains alone, no wheel weights or extra counter weights, he had no traction issues. Not sure I want to use chains on my driveway but that is good news I guess. I asked how the machine cleared snow and he said it was awesome. I don't think it throws the snow that far so I may do the rubber flap mod and see if I can get extra distance. Or just run it over again and hope it can just take it. For his narrow driveway I don't think he ever dealt with that concern. I did ask about horsepower limitations with the 12.5 hp and he said no issues at all. This is also good news. He did also say the lift lever gets tiring and that I might have some luck trying a beefier assist spring. He used to do his driveway and some neighbors since it was such an effective combo.
Reason for selling is the Deutz runs for about 20 minutes then quits. He did what most people do - bring it to a shop. The guy apparently didn't know these engines that well and said, eh, I could do this and that to it but it's probably not worth putting money into. Guess what I think: I think it needs a coil just like mine did. He took the battery out of it, but before he did, it did start up. The carb probably could use a rebuild as it cranked for quite a while. Probably needs the starter regreased, too. It did sound pretty good though. But where I'm at with the Deutz is to make it whole and probably keep it for snow removal rather than trying to switch over my Simplicity. Plus my machine is in better shape and it seems like the snow stuff will just make it rust.
So what's with the Simplicity 5212.5? He bought it as a parts machine for a single part. The steering linkage stud snapped on the Deutz (I have the old and I bet Adam could weld) and he stole the one from the Simplicity, since that parts machine was cheaper than a new steering rod (hilarious). Other than that it is probably junk. He said the only thing he really was told is the engine leaks oil from the main seal. I don't think that machine has much to donate though it did come with a car battery that I am charging now. It's probably dead. I may take a few things off but not much else. I may see if I can get the engine running. It is not seized. Otherwise that thing is basically scrap. In a parallel universe I could build it into some kind of lawn mower racer but I dunno if that is really going to happen. Again I may see if I can get it running and figure out how many things it really needs to drive (like the rear tires seated and inflated which I may be able to do if they hold air). A better plan is probably to scrap it.
The green machine I think is worth spending a little time/money on and having a dedicated snow machine. It came with a bucket of stuff including the factory snow/cold plates that cover some of the air intake on the hood so the air gets pulled past the heads. Helps with both cold weather operation as well as keeping snow/ice/rain out of the top of the engine area.
Oh, it turns out the 48" deck is a 42" deck, same as mine (but green). That is kind of a bummer. No one knows what size deck they have as when I bought mine, I think it was advertised at 50" or something like that (which is not a valid size option). It's just so hard apparently.
Some pics.
He had them lined up ready for racing.
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The Deutz-Allis 613 hydro. Otherwise known, I guess, as exactly the same as my Simplicity 5212.5 hydro. By the way, the rear tires on this definitely look to have more tread than mine so I may swap the wheels if I end up getting rid of it.
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Since I already offered $150 via e-mail, and the deck turned out to be 42" not 48", I maintained my offer of $150 and he took it. That was easy. He was happy to get rid of everything all at once - and it sold quickly since I had a saved search for just this stuff (well some of it). Everything fit with space to spare on the 6x12. It may have been possible to fit 4 of them, two side by side, with no decks. Getting them in was really not a big deal with two guys lifting the rear. One thing: the green tractor no longer has a functional neutral setting on the hydro trans. He said one day it wouldn't go into neutral but otherwise works fine. I guess not a huge deal and maybe I can free it up anyway. Looking at the chute turning cable/rod, he said it does look kinda hokey but works very well, and said unlike a worm/pinion style, this does not jam up with snow/ice. I know these are older machines but overall I think they were very well made. I am kind of into them at this point.
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Parking situation. Not really an issue - I may want to tarp the Deutz. Bill will suggest keeping it there in the winter (backed in) so I can just go after it snows but I still like keeping it under the deck and there may actually be room. Also my camera lens is getting hazy/linty again. Goddamnit. The wide angle is pretty good but the regular is quite hazy. He made a dolly out of a thin board and some casters. So I can roll the Simplicity around now. The Deutz I guess I am planning on getting running so the lack of neutral shouldn't be too big of a concern. The Simplicity also has the lame 36" deck. It is a low option 5212.5 and probably the "small frame" variant, whatever that really means. Looking at it more closely it doesn't look to be in THAT bad of shape...
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So there's the deck leaning precariously. I may move it but it's not terribly in the way there. Not sure what I am going to do with it long term. It should be a green replica of my 42" orange deck. We dropped the snow thrower in front of my Simplicity and then I pulled it up pretty close. I think I could see backing in the Deutz and having that be under the deck (maybe tarp the thrower or the whole thing since rain can blow in from the side. In the summer I'd put the Deutz on the inside and my Simplicity on the outside I guess. Seems fairly reasonable.
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Overall I think I did really well for $150. The Deutz is going to basically need what my Simpicity needed - a battery, a coil and probably a carb rebuild (and the carb I can probably wait on for now). And it could probably use a starter service/greasing. New gas cap/gauge. That is pretty amazing for $150 when you think about it as the thrower alone is worth more. On the off chance there is something wrong with the Deutz or I otherwise decide not to keep it, I have everything I need to put the thrower on my machine which is obviously still a good deal.
That's another reason I like these - unlike a John Deere, Cub Cadet or other brands, the older ones seem to not be worth a lot since the brand is less recognizable so you can get a lot of machine for little money, and they are good machines.
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