Camaro hunting

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kevm14
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https://blog.tirerack.com/blog/roll-on/ ... tact-sport

Side note: I assume Continental shamelessly copied Michelin. It is pretty shameless. Look at the tread on both!!
New Max Performance Summer Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport 4S and Continental ExtremeContact Sport
Friday, March 3, 2017 by Cy Chowattukunnel
Don't blame me if your area gets blasted with cold and snow tomorrow, but many meteorologists are predicting an early spring. Are you ready for spring and wondering what's new in the Max Performance Summer category?

Michelin Pilot Sport 4S

Continental ExtremeContact Sport

If you've got a fun and sporty car, it most likely came equipped with Max Performance Summer tires. If your vehicle didn't come with Max Performance Summer tires, you may want to upgrade. As with any change, there are pros and cons. Max Performance Summer tires prioritize great dry grip, very good wet grip and crisp steering response over cold weather versatility, ride compliance, wear and road manners. These tires are best suited for very spirited drivers who love to drive.
For the past few years, the Michelin Pilot Super Sport has been the benchmark. It's favored for its unique combination of steering response, dry grip, wet grip and tread noise. It also wears fairly well for a tire from this category. Michelin hasn't rested on their laurels as they've just launched the Pilot Sport 4S. We've received the Pilot Sport 4S in select sizes with more sizes arriving in the next few months. The Pilot Sport 4S will gradually replace the Pilot Super Sport in most sizes. Michelin's internal testing shows noticeable improvements in wet braking, dry braking and overall performance without compromising wear.
The competition hasn't sat still either. Continental is replacing the popular and affordable ExtremeContact DW with the ExtremeContact Sport. The ExtremeContact DW's forte is its ability to balance price, handling and ride compliance. 
Which tire is right for your vehicle? Until we do our comparison test in May, there isn't any hard data to rank these four tires. What would I get for my BRZ? I'd go the Pilot Sport 4S. I suspect our testing will find major improvements with the ExtremeContact Sport compared to the ExtremeContact DW, however, I anticipate the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S coming out on top. 
Be sure to check back for our test results to see which one of these new tires will dominate the Max Performance Summer category.
So the Sport 4S in fact replaces the PSS (which, again, I have on my CTS-V). Given the cold weather warning on them, I guess I can't pitch them as anything to buy for the non-summer season. But I could as replacements for the Goodyears when that time comes.
bill25
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It hasn't snowed yet this year. But once it does, are you really going to drive the car even on the dry salt?
No, I will not want to do that. I am thinking it makes sense to run the stock tire May/June-Sept, and maybe the 3 seasons Sept/Oct-Dec and March/April-May depending on snow. So about 4-5 months on stock tires, 4-5 months on 3 seasons, and park the car with the 3 seasons. This will also give front and rear spares if needed.
kevm14
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So for the record, I think the "3" in the name is due to the generation or version of the tire. It is not a new category.
bill25
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20X10, 20X11 rim/wheel selection is terrible. Kind of annoying.

Found MRR, they seem to have some decent styles. but not cheap...
https://www.amazon.com/Wheels-20x10-20x ... let+Camaro

https://www.amazon.com/20x10-20x11-5x12 ... B01K2SX2H2

Why don't they make different widths of this? This would be perfect.
https://www.amazon.com/OE-Wheels-Chevy- ... ive&sr=1-9
kevm14
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Because it is an OE-replacement. That style wasn't made in the 1LE widths, right?
bill25
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I get OEM is fixed to production sizes, but I am surprised there are no cheap aftermarket rims this size.
kevm14
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Yeah in general I agree. But it is generally not common to find an OE-duplicate wheel in a width different than what that OEM wheel was offered in. When people buy wheels they are either looking to replace a factory wheel, or change the look of the car - not run a sleeper wheel where it looks like stock but in a different width. That is a niche.
bill25
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But it is generally not common to find an OE-duplicate wheel in a width different than what that OEM wheel was offered in.
I am not asking for that. I am just looking for rims that match the stock sized rims on my car. I am not looking for a modified version. I am looking for the same size rims that this car came with. Just cheaper, so maybe steel instead of aluminum.
kevm14
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I was replying because the one you said you wish they made in your desired width looked like a stock SS 20....
bill25
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So this is interesting after our talk about the Z/28 differences:

Reasons I am glad I didn't get a Z/28:
https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=314522

Yikes:
NOTE: (R) is a restricted part at time of posting

Brakes:
Option code VRM
Front brake calipers
Left - 22958658 - $1491.23 (R)
Right - 22958607 - $1491.23 (R)
Pin kit - 19207045 - $87.25

Rear
Left - 22958637 - $974.56 (R)
Right - 22958634 - $974.56 (R)
Pin kit - 19206978 - $51.19
Rotors
Front - 22958646 - $2410.00 (R)
Rear - 22958647 - $2410.00 (R)

Front pads - 22990624 - $571.43
Rear pads - 22990625 - $571.43

Brake cooling ducts
Left - 23480631 - $54.76
Right - 23480632 - $54.76

Caliper takes the same bolt as the ZL1


Suspension:
Left front LCA - 23105014 - $88.21
Right front LCA - 23105015 - $88.21

Right Rear knucle - 23129156 - $152.30
Left Rear knuckle - 23129155 - $152.30

Front sway bar - 22842517 - $140.90
Rear sway bar - 22812943 - $140.32

Left Axle - 23473010 (R)
Right Axle - 23473011 (R)

Front DSSV Struts
Left - 22903660 - $1213.30 (R)
Right - 22903659 - $1213.30 (R)

Rear DSSV absorbers
23473511 - $859.10 (R)

Front springs - 22905638 - $114.38
Rear springs - 22903663 - $124.43
But also interestingly, the rims may offer me some insight into what might be an ok alternative size to what I have if the price difference is significantly better:
Wheels:
Front - 22873225 - (19x11 11mm os) (GM says the shipping weight is 25.88 pounds) - $795.00 (R)
Rear - 22873227 - (19x11.5 26mm os) (GM says the shipping weight is 26.32 pounds) - $795.00 (R)
Just talking size here: they are 19 by 11 and 11.5. Wonder if 19 by 10 and 11 with a sidewall matching the diameter of the stock tires would be a reasonable compromise if I can't get 1LE rims at a decent price.
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